Discussion Forum > So, Mark...with this new DIT2...are you abandoning AF4?
David:
I think you asked me exactly the same question about a year ago about whether I was abandoning DIT for AF. And my answer is exactly the same: the fact that I have introduced/amended one system doesn't mean that anyone has to follow that system and abandon something that was working fine for them. I would also continue to support all previous systems.
As for promoting systems, I haven't really done any promoting of any system outside this forum. This forum simply reflects the concerns of its posters.
I think you asked me exactly the same question about a year ago about whether I was abandoning DIT for AF. And my answer is exactly the same: the fact that I have introduced/amended one system doesn't mean that anyone has to follow that system and abandon something that was working fine for them. I would also continue to support all previous systems.
As for promoting systems, I haven't really done any promoting of any system outside this forum. This forum simply reflects the concerns of its posters.
January 26, 2010 at 8:30 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Mark:
I'm also curious if you evolve from system to system, or choose depending on your mood. David Seah, another productivity writer, creates tons of productivity content, but has told me he no longer uses most of it. He's constantly searching, and developing, material/systems to match his temperament. Lately, he's been using AF4.
I often wonder if switching systems is a form of procrastination or a healthy approach to keeping things fresh. Thoughts anyone?
I'm also curious if you evolve from system to system, or choose depending on your mood. David Seah, another productivity writer, creates tons of productivity content, but has told me he no longer uses most of it. He's constantly searching, and developing, material/systems to match his temperament. Lately, he's been using AF4.
I often wonder if switching systems is a form of procrastination or a healthy approach to keeping things fresh. Thoughts anyone?
January 26, 2010 at 13:17 |
Avrum
Avrum
Well, in my case, switching systems used to be a form of procrastination. But I also get a kind of motivation from a new, shiny, empty notebook waiting to be filled with exiting tasks. Kind of feeling on top of everything because everything isn't defined until you start writing out the tasks :-).
With AF4, the occassional rewriting of tasks at dismissal or when starting a new notebook is enough to satisfy that feeling, so I'm not really tempted to switch systems. DIT2 excepted of course :-):-).
With AF4, the occassional rewriting of tasks at dismissal or when starting a new notebook is enough to satisfy that feeling, so I'm not really tempted to switch systems. DIT2 excepted of course :-):-).
January 26, 2010 at 13:56 |
Nicole
Nicole
And some of us just enjoy systems and develop, improve, and tweak for the fun of it.
January 26, 2010 at 16:31 |
Mike
Mike
Avrum:
<< I'm also curious if you evolve from system to system, or choose depending on your mood. >>
I'm usually either using the latest system or working on developing a new one. I'm always looking for the perfect system. Maybe I've found it this time! :-)
<< I'm also curious if you evolve from system to system, or choose depending on your mood. >>
I'm usually either using the latest system or working on developing a new one. I'm always looking for the perfect system. Maybe I've found it this time! :-)
January 26, 2010 at 16:40 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Mark, it seems to me that this time around you are making exceptionally positive remarks about the upcoming system. Is it just me or are you more upbeat than with the various previous AF versions? Do you really believe that 'DIT2' could be the ultimate time management system?
January 26, 2010 at 17:36 |
JMTee
JMTee
promises, promises... ;-)
But honestly: we all should avoid to spend to much time with the time management system instead of working on the tasks in it. AF (all version) was already a big step forward for me in this respect. I am fiddling a lot less with the TM system and get a lot more work done.
Nevertheless: I must admit that I'm curious as well...
But honestly: we all should avoid to spend to much time with the time management system instead of working on the tasks in it. AF (all version) was already a big step forward for me in this respect. I am fiddling a lot less with the TM system and get a lot more work done.
Nevertheless: I must admit that I'm curious as well...
January 26, 2010 at 17:45 |
Christian G.
Christian G.
"Maybe I've found it this time! :-) "
I look forward to calling out Mr. Allen & Covey as false TM prophets ;)
I look forward to calling out Mr. Allen & Covey as false TM prophets ;)
January 26, 2010 at 18:00 |
Avrum
Avrum
JMTee:
<< Do you really believe that 'DIT2' could be the ultimate time management system? >>
For me maybe. But I can't expect it to work the same for everyone.
<< Do you really believe that 'DIT2' could be the ultimate time management system? >>
For me maybe. But I can't expect it to work the same for everyone.
January 26, 2010 at 18:09 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Should we go out and get a daily diary and get ready?
January 26, 2010 at 19:25 |
Forrest Held
Forrest Held
Hi Mark,
One year ago, huh? Well, if anything, at least I am consistent. Smiles...
Thanks -- am going out to purchase a new daily diary. I want to be ready to try out DIT2 when it is released. And I too have gone back and read DIT again to refresh my memory.
Best wishes,
-David
One year ago, huh? Well, if anything, at least I am consistent. Smiles...
Thanks -- am going out to purchase a new daily diary. I want to be ready to try out DIT2 when it is released. And I too have gone back and read DIT again to refresh my memory.
Best wishes,
-David
January 26, 2010 at 19:55 |
David Drake
David Drake
I've not wrapped my arms around the physical manifestation of a "daily diary". I'm envisioning a page-a-day planner, but most are appointment-centric, leaving only a small section for tasks. What are some specific examples of daily diaries in use by DIT folks? From DIT Chapter 9, it sounds like it should be an easy item to find, but I imagine it will become an obsession with time management tinkerers.
January 26, 2010 at 20:01 |
Brian
Brian
Mark Forster:
<<I'm always looking for the perfect system. Maybe I've found it this time! :-) >>
Your search for the holy grail of time management may be ended? Hmmm. Yeah. Right. LOL! Personally, I'm hoping that you'll never stop trying to improve upon whatever system you're using. For your sake. And for ours. Please keep looking. And many thanks to you for your time and effort. Blessings and cheers to you!
<<I'm always looking for the perfect system. Maybe I've found it this time! :-) >>
Your search for the holy grail of time management may be ended? Hmmm. Yeah. Right. LOL! Personally, I'm hoping that you'll never stop trying to improve upon whatever system you're using. For your sake. And for ours. Please keep looking. And many thanks to you for your time and effort. Blessings and cheers to you!
January 26, 2010 at 20:06 |
Joel
Joel
Hi Brian,
Here is the link Mark posted on another thread showing the diary he uses:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Collins-Current-Forward-Planners-W210xH297mm/dp/B001O3M6J0/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1264089192&sr=8-2-fkmr2#moreAboutThisProduct
Hope this helps...
-David
Here is the link Mark posted on another thread showing the diary he uses:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Collins-Current-Forward-Planners-W210xH297mm/dp/B001O3M6J0/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1264089192&sr=8-2-fkmr2#moreAboutThisProduct
Hope this helps...
-David
January 26, 2010 at 21:56 |
David Drake
David Drake
I don't know about the stationery situation in America, but in UK page-a-day diaries are very easy to find. And round about now, they start getting reduced in price too!
January 26, 2010 at 23:37 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Forrest:
<< Should we go out and get a daily diary and get ready? >>
The longer you leave it the cheaper it is likely to be.
<< Should we go out and get a daily diary and get ready? >>
The longer you leave it the cheaper it is likely to be.
January 26, 2010 at 23:40 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Joel:
<< Personally, I'm hoping that you'll never stop trying to improve upon whatever system you're using. >>
That's fine for a relatively closed group like the followers of this forum, my blog and my newsletter. But to go out into the wider world requires something that's going to be stable for a good period of time.
<< Personally, I'm hoping that you'll never stop trying to improve upon whatever system you're using. >>
That's fine for a relatively closed group like the followers of this forum, my blog and my newsletter. But to go out into the wider world requires something that's going to be stable for a good period of time.
January 26, 2010 at 23:43 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
I am very excited by this latest development. I have found DIT to be a wonderful system and am eager to see the new improved version.
January 27, 2010 at 0:19 |
Steve
Steve
DIT - I've bought the daily diary, started collecting up each day's emails and post to process the next day, started my deadlined projects NOW with a little-and-often approach, not delaying them till a later date. Today's email folder is empty, as is my intray, and I have do-able tasks and daily routines listed for today.
It all seems too good to be true. What's going wrong :-}
It all seems too good to be true. What's going wrong :-}
January 27, 2010 at 11:11 |
Linda
Linda
I've only read the forum and liked the idea of Autofocus so much so that I have listed all my 'backlog' into a notebook - I really have to get into the habit of entering all items as they come in! So far this is a real achievement as previously I had them all over the place. Also it has stimulated ideas as the how to improve other things - for example setting up daily/weekly/monthly rituals or habits.
As I haven't actually read DIT I decided I should, so I have ordered it from Amazon and am eagerly awaiting it's arrival. This will put me in a good position should I decide to use DIT2 when it is 'unveiled' although I get the impression DIT2 is really a series of tweaks to the original DIT to make it even better (hence buying the book). I also believe that for the price of the book (I paid under £6 for it new) - even if I get only one or two really good ideas to make life easier it will be worth it!! Also it is a way of contributing to Mark's excellent ideas - hopefully he gets royality on each book sold.
I have a very tasty Filofax cherry red leather A filofax which is very underutilised. I also have a page a day diary for this filofax, so if it is suitable I think I'll probably plan to use that if I decide on DIT2.
Can't wait to read the book. and read DIT2. I have been so disorganised in my recent past that this is a real boost to me and will I know reduce my stress levels considerably.
As I haven't actually read DIT I decided I should, so I have ordered it from Amazon and am eagerly awaiting it's arrival. This will put me in a good position should I decide to use DIT2 when it is 'unveiled' although I get the impression DIT2 is really a series of tweaks to the original DIT to make it even better (hence buying the book). I also believe that for the price of the book (I paid under £6 for it new) - even if I get only one or two really good ideas to make life easier it will be worth it!! Also it is a way of contributing to Mark's excellent ideas - hopefully he gets royality on each book sold.
I have a very tasty Filofax cherry red leather A filofax which is very underutilised. I also have a page a day diary for this filofax, so if it is suitable I think I'll probably plan to use that if I decide on DIT2.
Can't wait to read the book. and read DIT2. I have been so disorganised in my recent past that this is a real boost to me and will I know reduce my stress levels considerably.
January 27, 2010 at 11:52 |
Alison R
Alison R
<<I don't know about the stationery situation in America, but in UK page-a-day diaries are very easy to find. And round about now, they start getting reduced in price too!>>
I am amazed at how difficult it is to find a page-a-day diary that isn't littered with the hours of the day or other nonsense. It shouldn't be this difficult in the US. :-)
If any Americans have a lead on an appropriate diary for DIT/DIT2, please share.
I am amazed at how difficult it is to find a page-a-day diary that isn't littered with the hours of the day or other nonsense. It shouldn't be this difficult in the US. :-)
If any Americans have a lead on an appropriate diary for DIT/DIT2, please share.
January 27, 2010 at 13:51 |
Brian
Brian
Hi Brian,
I agree -- Mark says they are plentiful in the UK, but here....it is exactly as you have described. I would suggest starting a new thread on this topic so that it is more easily seen and people can chime in where they are finding diaries.
-David
I agree -- Mark says they are plentiful in the UK, but here....it is exactly as you have described. I would suggest starting a new thread on this topic so that it is more easily seen and people can chime in where they are finding diaries.
-David
January 27, 2010 at 13:59 |
David Drake
David Drake
Brian and David
A good sized notebook should do just as well, though you will have to write in the dates manually - probably only a few at a time!
A good sized notebook should do just as well, though you will have to write in the dates manually - probably only a few at a time!
January 27, 2010 at 14:06 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Check out the Brownline 2010 daily untimed journal on Amazon.
January 27, 2010 at 15:37 |
Mel
Mel
Mel:
Do you have a link for that? I can't find it on Amazon.
Do you have a link for that? I can't find it on Amazon.
January 27, 2010 at 17:34 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
I've been experimenting with paper after I found these journals:
http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/nava-notes-notepads
in Montreal.
Should be a perfect setup for DIT2.
http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/nava-notes-notepads
in Montreal.
Should be a perfect setup for DIT2.
January 27, 2010 at 17:36 |
Avrum
Avrum
A simple moleskin or other undated but lined calendar is more than fine. $10-20 at your local bookstore, Borders, or Barnes and Noble. DIT definitely does not require a specialized calendar.
January 27, 2010 at 18:02 |
TK
TK
Amazon seems to only have them in red, but the manufacturer has black ones listed (as well es pocket-sized ones): http://brownline.com/vw/fs/p045.htm
January 27, 2010 at 18:41 |
Andreas Hofmann
Andreas Hofmann
Hold that thought, they don't have pocket-sized untimed journals, only with time slots. (Why?)
January 27, 2010 at 18:44 |
Andreas Hofmann
Andreas Hofmann
I believe you can create and print your own dated calendar pages (with or without time slots) with the D*I*Y Planner Dynamic Template application:
http://www.diyplanner.com/node/6210
http://www.diyplanner.com/node/6210
January 27, 2010 at 19:55 |
Jonaz in Stockholm
Jonaz in Stockholm
One of the local stationers here in NY has a few of these Letts day to a page calendars. They look like good paper and should work well. If someone would like one, I could pick one up and send to you. Will go on sale at end of February if any are left.
http://www.lettsusa.com/business/0-10XBK.html
http://www.lettsusa.com/business/0-10XBK.html
January 27, 2010 at 21:12 |
Alec
Alec
Mark:
I just realized that I instinctively searched on amazon.com instead amazon.co.uk. Brownline seems to be US/Canada only, that's why you couldn't find it.
Another alternative also available in UK would be the moleskine daily planner. It has time slots, but they are really unobstrusive: http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o232/dinodressed/moleskine.jpg - also comes in different sizes and as soft- or hardcover.
I just realized that I instinctively searched on amazon.com instead amazon.co.uk. Brownline seems to be US/Canada only, that's why you couldn't find it.
Another alternative also available in UK would be the moleskine daily planner. It has time slots, but they are really unobstrusive: http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o232/dinodressed/moleskine.jpg - also comes in different sizes and as soft- or hardcover.
January 28, 2010 at 11:33 |
Andreas Hofmann
Andreas Hofmann
But would the moleskine be large enough? I think Mark suggested an A4 size.
January 28, 2010 at 11:44 |
Alison R
Alison R
I personally think it's in the spirit and rationale of DIT to put tasks within the same page as scheduled appointments in a day per page diary (i.e. not in a seperate notebook) so it's possible to see how much discretionaery time is available. Importantly, it's often clear to see why it's not been possible to complete the closed list. Also, it's quite easy to refer to when a task was done.
I had a lot of success with the diary below for DIT well over a year. The picture though shows the weekly format for some reason. Wether it will work for DIT 2 I am not sure yet.
Mark, are you able to comment before I rush out right now and buy one ?!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Collins-Classic-Appointments-Half-Hourly-W190xH260mm/dp/B0029YBCB6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=officeproduct&qid=1264682475&sr=1-4
I had a lot of success with the diary below for DIT well over a year. The picture though shows the weekly format for some reason. Wether it will work for DIT 2 I am not sure yet.
Mark, are you able to comment before I rush out right now and buy one ?!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Collins-Classic-Appointments-Half-Hourly-W190xH260mm/dp/B0029YBCB6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=officeproduct&qid=1264682475&sr=1-4
January 28, 2010 at 12:51 |
Leon
Leon
Alison R:
True, the 'large' moleskine is more like A5. But whether you really need A4 is another question. I have the impression Mark likes to have much room. IIRC he used A4 for AF too. I for example used A7 for AF, and Mark said we need a larger notebook for DIT2 because we need two columns. So I think I will be fine with A5. But then again my handwriting is rather small, so it may not be for everyone.
Another thing is that the moleskine is the only product mentioned so far that I can get off amazon.de instead of importing from US or UK. But I'm still looking. ;-)
True, the 'large' moleskine is more like A5. But whether you really need A4 is another question. I have the impression Mark likes to have much room. IIRC he used A4 for AF too. I for example used A7 for AF, and Mark said we need a larger notebook for DIT2 because we need two columns. So I think I will be fine with A5. But then again my handwriting is rather small, so it may not be for everyone.
Another thing is that the moleskine is the only product mentioned so far that I can get off amazon.de instead of importing from US or UK. But I'm still looking. ;-)
January 28, 2010 at 13:50 |
Andreas Hofmann
Andreas Hofmann
Leon and Andreas:
There's no doubt that DIT2, as I'm testing it at present, uses quite considerably more space than DIT. For example yesterday was a fairly typical day for me. The page for that day needed room for 121 tasks.
Most people probably won't use DIT2 for *everything* in the way that I am at the moment. If you consider what proportion of your waking day you are likely to use it for, then you can arrive at an approximate figure for you.
There's no doubt that DIT2, as I'm testing it at present, uses quite considerably more space than DIT. For example yesterday was a fairly typical day for me. The page for that day needed room for 121 tasks.
Most people probably won't use DIT2 for *everything* in the way that I am at the moment. If you consider what proportion of your waking day you are likely to use it for, then you can arrive at an approximate figure for you.
January 28, 2010 at 14:18 |
Mark Forster
Mark Forster
Seems to me that the sensible thing to do is to wait until Mark is ready to share, and then we can all make up our minds on the best format for our needs. It's likely that one size will not fit all!
January 28, 2010 at 14:24 |
Alison R
Alison R
Dear Alison R,
You're right, of course...but the anticipation is too much to bear!
You're right, of course...but the anticipation is too much to bear!
January 28, 2010 at 15:18 |
Leon
Leon
I've been getting along so well with AF4, and I've never been able to continue with a system for anywhere near this long before, that I'm almost reluctant to disrupt things with DIT2.
I think my real concern is that when I read it I'll want to try it because, like others here, I'm always keen to see if something else works better than whatever I'm doing now.
I think my real concern is that when I read it I'll want to try it because, like others here, I'm always keen to see if something else works better than whatever I'm doing now.
January 28, 2010 at 23:48 |
SimonW
SimonW

As we all wait with anticipation for your new addendum/supplement for DIT -- DIT2, if you will, a central question has come to my mind. Many people have found Autofocus (and for me, AF4) to be an outstanding system. I have heard some say that they will be very hesitant to abandon AF4 and go to a DIT system. I must say, although there are aspects of DIT that I do miss, I have found AF4 to be a wonderful system. WIth your new system, are you abandoning AF4 and focusing now back to DIT and your new add-on? Or will you actively promote both systems?
-David