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Mark Forster is the author of three books about time management and personal organisation. The most recent, Do It Tomorrow, was published by Hodder in 2006.

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Discussion Forum > Discipline vs Motivation

I was just reading http://zenhabits.net/discipline-is-illusion-motivate/ which is saying that discipline is an illusion and that motivation is the most important factor, does anyone disagree with this?
August 31, 2010 at 21:19 | Unregistered CommenterHindsight
I agree at 95%

What I mean is that if you want to do anything in life, motivation is always the key.
It helps you study, work harder if need be, being involved in what you do and helps you keep at something for a long time.

Where the rubber hits the road though, if you don't cultivate discipline, you are someone that cannot be counted on (I know too many people like that). Also to give you an example, I was generally bright in class, my brother a little less. I was motivated by the classes and never studied for tests (with mixed results) but I usually managed to pass. My brother always studied hard with the same results. In the end, he was the better of us both because he can keep at something even if it's hard or there is a chance of failure, I can't...

Also, motivation comes in degrees. There's the shiny new thing then you get a down, that's where discipline comes in until you find the deeper motivation.

- Always Keep it in Perspective -
August 31, 2010 at 21:42 | Unregistered CommenterErik
Discipline - do what you want done
Motivate - increase desire to do

there's a difference between what you want to do and what you want to be done. Focusing on discipline is focusing on a general skill. Focusing on motivation is focusing on a specific issue. So if you are more disciplined you need less motivation for everything. On the other hand, more motivation makes discipline easy.

Bottom line: discipline seems better, but failing that motivation is the way forward.
August 31, 2010 at 22:55 | Unregistered CommenterAlan Baljeu
Even simpler: Discipline makes you stronger. Motivation makes work easier.
September 1, 2010 at 17:09 | Unregistered CommenterAlan Baljeu